By Phil EndecottPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:29 GMT
I guess that meters block the signal from reaching the rest of the street because they have big inductive motor windings in them. But what about the new-fangled digital meters, like I've had for the last few months? I think they just have a few mili-ohms of series resistor. Will they block the signal?
Push passwords
By Tim ParkerPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:23 GMT
This has been brought up before - all this is fine and dandy, security wise, as long as your neighbours don't have any of these units on the same loop either. Think about it.
Meters - signal blocking?
By frank dentonPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:34 GMT
Has anyone tried plugging one into a neighbour's power socket to see if there is data isolation between houses due to the inductive coil in the 'traditional' meter? I suspect that the new design meters, as described by Phil, would offer no blocking at all.
Another area to consider is stray r.f. radiation from your mains wiring. If you connect a high frequency source (powerline ethernet adaptor) to your mains wiring then your entire house will act as a transmitting aerial. It may be that the closely laid together live/neutral wires have little radiative effect, has this been studied? If this does happen however, then you really will need encryption enabled. Having said that, it would need some very specialist/custom equipment to monitor and decode any data leaked outside in this way. Once again, has this been studied?
@Tim
By Tony Smith, Editor, Reg HardwarePosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:36 GMT
Doesn't matter if they have, unless you can physically access their adaptors, or they can physically touch yours.
Setting the password requires a button push on the unit that's being added *and* on one of the boxes in the network it's joining. Just plugging in an adaptor and pressing it's button isn't going to reconfigure all the other units on the loop.
@Tony
By Tim ParkerPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 15:53 GMT
"Setting the password requires a button push on the unit that's being added *and* on one of the boxes in the network it's joining."
Ah, arse - that'll be me not reading things properly. Nuff z.
Cheers
Electric meters and neighbours
By A J StilesPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 18:21 GMT
If you live in a street, your house and your immediate neighbours are plumbed into adjacent phases of the mains; and there's no way that any frequency higher than a few hundred Hz is going to get through the thwacking great three-phase transformer in the sub-station. Somebody three doors down possibly could see your network; but electricity meters are inductive and block out high frequencies. Mechanical ones because they have to be inductive in order to work, and electronic ones because they have to be inductive in order not to be ..... er ..... misled by spurious signals on the wires (imagine the horror if someone's electricity meter were accidentally to clock up credit that hadn't been paid for because someone clicked a piezo lighter next to it).
RF coupling is an unlikely prospect. The houses in any street probably were rewired at different times, so the cables are unlikely to be exactly back-to-back. Then there are at least two layers of brick between any two houses; call it 225mm. In modern houses with cavity walls, it will be more. The live conductor is adjacent to the neutral and earth, which are joined at the meter if you live in a city, and certainly less than 10mm. away. I'd say it ought to make a fairly effective shield.
Deja Vu
By Anonymous CowardPosted Tuesday 11th December 2007 18:23 GMT
Let us not forget that when you announced the thing a month ago:
...you made the horrendous gaffe of saying that you could add a new unit by only pressing the button on the new unit, not the other(s)!
Curiously that seems to have slipped your mind now you're correcting someone else who's made the same mistake...
colours
By andyPosted Wednesday 12th December 2007 09:44 GMT
Great. Yet another product with a light that changes from red/green/amber/orange/whatever. I'm fed up having to ask the family or anyone in the office if things are on/off/errored because lights change between red and green. Manufacturers - my guess is lots of buyers of kit like this are male. And around 10% of men are colourblind. It would only cost pence to add multiple lights for the different speeds so the position of the light would be the indicator. Well done Sony for making the PS2 have a nice big blue light.
Update
By Tony Smith, Editor, Reg HardwarePosted Friday 14th December 2007 14:20 GMT
FYI, connecting these boys to existing 200Mb/s powerline units is possible, but you will need to upgrade all the older adaptors' firmware to do so. Devolo, for one, has posted updates for its 200Mb/s devices as have other vendors, including Solwise.
I've updated Solwise and Devolo HomePlug AV units, and while the Devolo software just works, the Solwise code took several attempts to update the old adaptors' firmware.
Comments on: Solwise Simple Connect powerline Ethernet adaptor
Do new digial meters block the signal?
By Phil Endecott Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 12:29 GMT
Push passwords
By Tim Parker Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:23 GMT
Meters - signal blocking?
By frank denton Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:34 GMT
@Tim
By Tony Smith, Editor, Reg Hardware Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 13:36 GMT
@Tony
By Tim Parker Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 15:53 GMT
Electric meters and neighbours
By A J Stiles Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 18:21 GMT
Deja Vu
By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 11th December 2007 18:23 GMT
colours
By andy Posted Wednesday 12th December 2007 09:44 GMT
Update
By Tony Smith, Editor, Reg Hardware Posted Friday 14th December 2007 14:20 GMT